[When Sir Patrick Stewart was asked to describe Sir Ian McKellen’s early days on the british stage]
Look at that smug face. And he’s doing a little dance!! You can see he’s victory dancing in his head xD [x]
(Ian McKellen as Hamlet, 1971. I mean, honestly.)
- Frat buds
Reblog if you think fanfiction is a legitimate form of creative writing.
i dreamed a dream in time gone by
when hope was high and life worth living
i dreamed that love would never die
i dreamed the god would be forgiving
but the tigers come at night, with their voices soft as thunder
as they tear your hope apart
as they turn your dream to shaaaaaaame
and still i dream she’ll come to me
and we will live the years together
but there are dreams that cannot be
and there are storms we cannot weather
i had a dream my life would be
so different from this hell i’m living
so different now from what it seeeeeemed
now life has killed
I’m bringing this back so that we can all cry some more
I know that the biggest topic in regards to the Star Trek reboot is the whole bechdel test and naked ladies and whitewashed Khan, and to be honest those things bother me too, because sexuality does not belong in a good story, unless it is crucial to the plot.
But what nobody seems to talk about is THE FREAKING CONTINUITY PROBLEMS and the awful writing! Examples:
- Blowing up Vulcan achieves nothing in terms of plot, and may in fact cause the implosion of the universe due to certain Vulcans having died or never being born and thus being unable to save the universe.
- Everybody acts like 21st century young urban Californians, which is the absolute crappiest group to emulate in terms of personality and behavior. Even the sixties, racism and all, had better ethics than we do now!
- KIRK DIDN’T SLEEP WITH EVERY WOMAN HE MET, JEEZ! Just because he kissed em does not imply anything else! Heck, most of the time it wasn’t his idea, or it was as subterfuge, a means to an end. He only had like three or four actual romantic relationships ever, and one was because of memory loss. Also he was a canonical nerdy bookworm in his younger years, joined starfleet at age 16, and can beat a vulcan at chess.
- Personality traits of every major character (except maybe Dr. McCoy) are seriously messed up.
- YOU CAN’T CURE DEATH EVER EVER EVER NOT EVEN IN FICTION AND EVEN IF YOU COULD IT WOULDN’T BE FROM AN INJECTION OF AUGMENT BLOOD!!!
- Nokia doesn’t still exist and product placement is pathetic.
- Star Wars and Star Trek do NOT have the same main audience, so stop thinking that only young men like Star Trek because it’s actually the opposite.
- That’s not where Delta Vega is. It doesn’t look like that either. Furthermore, to be able to see Vulcan collapse from the surface of Delta Vega, it would have to be a moon or a binary planet system, but Vulcan has no moon.
- Transporters are LIMITED. they are SHORT RANGE because it is freaking DANGEROUS to be rearranging matter and transforming into energy, sending it at the speed of light, and getting it back again. Their range is no more than about a million km or so. I don’t care what kind of magic you use YOU CAN’T HAVE INTERPLANETARY BEAMING!!!!!! That would not only violate canon (again) but it would render starships obsolete making teh entire premise of the series null and void.
- Archer would have died by this point so he’s not an admiral i don’t care how advanced technology is you can’t stop telomere degeneration.
- Why is there only ever one tribble?
- WHY THE HECK IS THE CHIEF NAVIGATOR PUT IN CHARGE OF ENGINEERING? DOES SCOTTY HAVE ZERO SUBORDINATES?
- Spock and Uhura would totally never go for each other.
- sexiness is not “in the spirit of the original show”! for heavens sake did you even watch it????
- CAN’T YOU BE CREATIVE JEEZ! TOO MANY “PARALLELS”= BEING UNORIGINAL
- You can’t have a misbehaving kid on suspension and suddenly promote him to be the captain of a starship! Even if he does save the world! Seriously? It takes YEARS of hard work and good service to earn even a single promotion, let alone like 12. Plus Kirk didn’t make captain for at least 10 years, screw you, writers!
- SPECIAL EFFECTS AND ACTION DO NOT MAKE UP FOR A CRAPPY PLOT HOW MANY TIMES MUST I SAY THIS TO EVERY WRITER EVER???????
- Box office money isn’t a sign of quality and big profits shouldn’t indicate you did good, because there’s no correlation!
- The plot was stupid and unoriginal in general.
So Bob Orci is one of the writers for the Reboot, and the only writer from the first two films still attached to XIII. Now he wants to direct XIII.
Bob Orci has a history of being a jackass to the fans.
raktajino-hot has a pretty good list of all of the things that the creative team behind the Reboot has said: http://raktajino-hot.tumblr.com/post/51171585205/jj-is-not-of-the-body-a-link-collection
Additionally you can find more here: http://yagamie.tumblr.com/post/51981917969/please-stop-talking-a-masterpost
After criticism started coming out about STID, Orci got defensive over the movie. He defended the convoluted plot. He defended the whitewashing.
But the TrekMovie (which had been completely nuTrek positive up to this point) ran an article about how Trek needed to go back to its roots, to television. The article was called “Star Trek is Broken - Here are Ideas on How to Fix It”. You can read it, it’s actually rather kind to nuTrek in my opinion, and basically says that the movies have done well but Star Trek is a television franchise primarily and that is where it should be.
Bob Orci decided to comment on the article under the username boborci. He has commented on other TrekMovie articles under this username, so seeing comments from him on the site wasn’t surprising. What he wrote was:
I think the article above is akin to a child acting out against his parents. Makes it tough for some to listen, but since I am a loving parent, I read these comments without anger or resentment, no matter how misguided.
Having said that, two biggest Star Treks in a row with best reviews is hardly a description of “broken.” And frankly, your tone and attidude make it hard for me to listen to what might otherwise be decent notions to pursue in the future. Sorry, Joseph. As I love to say, there is a reason why I get to write the movies, and you don’t.
Respect all opinions, always, nonetheless.
It got progressively worse after that, culminating in this exchange between a fan
@ 309. boborci – September 2, 2013
“You think action and thinking are mutually exclusive.”
No, we can have a movie with both action & brain, case in point Inception & Indiana Jones movies. What I’m saying that STID was a movie that has lot more action & explosions than a coherent story or character developments.
“Ok, then. Pitch me Into Darkness. Pitch me the plot, and let’s comapre it to other pitches. Go ahead. Let’s see if you actually understood the movie. Tell me what happened?”
I’m sorry but what plot ? Khan was found & used by Section 31 & then he put his own people in the torpedo to save them or whatever & the rest of the movie follow in the same illogical way.
No disrespect to you guys, STID made tons of money but it was worse than ST09 in many aspects.
And Orci’s response:
312 Shitty Dodge. STID has infinetly more social commentary than Raiders in every Universe, and I say that with Harrison Ford being a friend. You lose credibility big time when you don’t honestly engage with the FUCKING WRITER OF THE MOVIE ASKING YOU AN HONEST QUESTION. You prove the cliche of shitty fans. And rude in the process. So, as Simon Pegg would say: FUCK OFF!
After this exchange, Orci took to twitter where he promptly issued a non-apology about how “twice a year I explode at the morons.”
Then he deleted his twitter account afterward.
As far as honestly engaging with his audience, his interactions with people who participated in #KhanWeTalk? (which aimed to open a dialogue between the creative team and fans about the whitewashing of Khan) were generally rude and condescending.
In short, Bob Orci is a sack of shit. He doesn’t like Star Trek. He doesn’t like the fans. He was instrumental in transforming Kirk into a womanizing douchebro. He helped hollow out the Trek franchise and transformed it into just another stupid summer action movie. Then he insulted the fans for not loving it.
Now he is angling to direct XIII. In my opinion, he’s done enough damage already.
“We just figured that would be a great reference, and we loved that Kirk didn’t remember her,” says Orci. “It’s an in-joke that also speaks volumes about his character when it comes to women. That’s why we used it.”
I HATE THIS KIND OF SHIT FROM THE REBOOT MOVIES, KIRK IS NOT AN OVERSEXED ASSHOLE OKAY WHEN HE MEETS PEOPLE HE CARES ABOUT PEOPLE, TOS KIRK IS A LADY-KILLER YEAH BUT HE GENUINELY ENJOYS THEIR COMPANY AND THINKS ON THEIR TIME TOGETHER FONDLY, KIRK ISN’T A DOUCHEBAG OKAY BOB ORCI GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD
The fact that he forgot A MEMBER OF HIS OWN CREW is just another level to me.
# Can we as the fandom collectively agree that THIS DID NOT ACTUALLY HAPPEN? # Don’t get me wrong. # We all make mistakes when we’re younger and some of us sleep we people we shouldn’t. # But this was a crew member # someone who worked with McCoy # who (we can deduce) applied for a transfer because of the way Kirk treated her. # It’s not funny. # It’s completely out of touch with Roddenberry’s vision for Trek. # Remember what Kirk said in ‘The Naked Time’? # Because I do. # He said to Spock # ’You’re allowed to notice her. The Captain’s not permitted.’ # And I don’t want to hear that AOS Kirk is 1) young and 2) grew up without a father. # This was not not not in the spirit of his character and I refuse to accept that it happened. # rant # star trek into darkness # I forgot how much this movie pissed me off
(tags from museaway)
I’m on board with this idea. I actually just assumed that Chapel was at the academy or something at the time because it didn’t occur to me to think of Kirk fooling around with his crew, but now that it’s been suggested, I’m pissed again. I want to lock Abrams and company into a small room and make them watch the original series. We can even pause after each scene that proves Jim Kirk is not the asshole they want him to be.
McCoy addresses her in STXI (He calls to her off screen, “Nurse Chapel”) so I have always assumed she’s the same age and probably served with them, hence the line about her being “much happier” on the other ship. I forget its name. I hate this movie.
Everyone has made such great points regarding these characters and how they are portrayed and I agree completely. So I’d like to take a moment and talk about the actors.
In the first movie the film makers chose to honor the original cast members that had passed - DeForest Kelley, aka Leonard McCoy and James Doohan aka Montgomery Scott.
They did this with James Doohan’s son dressed as an engineer and having a cameo with the ‘new’ Scotty, and by hiring Karl Urban to play McCoy. (if you think his portrayal of McCoy was anything but a love letter to Deforest and McCoy, you are wrong. Leonard Nimoy says so) Both Karl and Simon have spoken very positively and graciously about their predecessors.
Majel Barrett-Roddenberry, the actress that played Christine Chapel died prior to the release of the reboot, but after it had been filmed. Because of the timing I was ok with her not being recognized or honored the way DeForest Kelley and James Doohan had. There was always the next movie right?
This is how they choose to ‘honor’ Majel Barrett-Roddenberry.
And this is not an attempt to take anything away from DeForest Kelley and James Doohan, or to down play their contributions to their iconic roles. They each played their character over many, many years and over several series- in TOS, TAS, movies and each had an episode of ST:TNG. But I would just like to point out a few things about Majel Barrett-Roddenberry.
Copy/pasted from memory alpha:
Barrett was the only performer to have had a role on all of the Star Trek series – usually not as a character but as the voice of the various computers used throughout the series. She also supplied the voice of the Enterprise computer in five of the Star Trek films- spanning all three film series (Original Series, The Next Generation Series, and the Alternate Reality Series).
Her most frequent portrayal in Star Trek, besides the computer, was that of Nurse (later Doctor) Christine Chapel on Star Trek: The Original Series, Star Trek: The Animated Series, and in two of the films. She also voiced M’Ress and several other characters on The Animated Series and later played Betazoid Ambassador Lwaxana Troi on Star Trek: The Next Generation and Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. Her first filmed appearance was in Star Trek: The Original Series pilot episode “The Cage” as Number One.
So to sum up:
Series that she performed in: every fucking one
Characters she played:
- Only the voice of every federation Computer (that’s all…)
- Number One
- Christine Chapel
- Lwaxana Troi (daughter of the Fifth House of Betazed, the Holder of the Sacred Chalice of Rixx, and Heir to the Holy Rings of Betazed)
And the best (only) way they could think to honor Majel was this.
Really? This is the best they could do?
Fuck them for ‘honoring’ “The First Lady of Star Trek” like this.
This scene made me so angry because not only was Majel’s career impacted by sexism when NBC execs in the 60’s decided that having a female first officer on a starship 300 years in the future would be utterly ridiculous, and was instead only allowed to play a female character in one of the very few acceptable female professions in the 1960’s as a nurse. But even worse, in the reboot, her character doesn’t even get to appear on screen because of sexism. Total bullshit from Orci, and a refutation of Star Trek’s image as progressive and ground-breaking media.
I am very much willing to forget about this entire scene. there was absolutely no point for it in the first place - it did little to nothing for the plot and served only to showcase kirk as a complete douchebag who not only forgets about his “conquests” but also does not listen to what he is asked, by a woman or otherwise. not to mention it turns carol into essentially nothing but T & A
also - I wrote this on a different post earlier today, but i figure it works here just as well, so have another rant:
(quote) orci says the line about chapel is “an in-joke that also speaks volumes about his character when it comes to women” which could honestly not be further from the truth. kirk has had very few relationships, the last one we know about being with a woman at the academy, whom he almost married (according to line in where no man has gone before, when kirk is talking to gary mitchell in sickbay). that woman’s character was later built on to become the biologist carol marcus whom we know and love. this same characterization also applies to kirk’s relationship with edith keeler. kirk is shows to not fall in love quickly, nor does he bang her and leave her like he apparently did to chapel in STID - after hanging around with edith for a long time (the time frame is unclear, but it is still obvious it has been quite a while by the end of the episode), and edith giving jim a job and a place to stay, he finally falls for her. it’s all a rather normal sequence of events - for any relationship.
in all seriousness, the only time kirk has those short “flings” is when he is either drugged/doesn’t remember who he is (like in the paradise syndrome) or is using a kiss/sex as a military tactic, at least to some extent (like ingamesters of triskelion). I could go on… (endquote)